i like republicans more because i don't like taxes or regulation. i don't like any of them. i want this thing to work. you're a candidate republican or demonstrate that's what you have to resemble. >> if you're a candidate for office and want to be in public service and thinking about doing it for the first time in 2014, look yourself in the mirror can you effect change by being a member of elter party or effect change by blowing twoup parties. two parties -- best thing to happen to both parties in '92 was perot. they recalibrate -- clinton wasn't talking about reduction until ross perot shoipd. republicans forgot how to reach out to economic populace. if you want to effect change in 2014 you have to think about it. >> when they are saying independent, i think independent tone of voice. as far as voters are concerned chris christie is independent. obviously he's not, he's a republican. they are searching for a voice. not a question of, i don't want republicans, i don't want democrats, i don't want business as usual. >> that's what they are saying. >> joe manchin fits that bi